This article was posted in soc.religion.islam, a brother mentioned types of shirk, to the unlike of Haddad (Kabbani), so he exposed him self as you will see, and another brother Muhammad El Rabba replied to him.

In article <[email protected]>,
Fouad Haddad wrote:
>A "Salafi" wrote:
>>A) Shirk Ad-Dua' (Invocation).
>> To call other than Allaah, such as a Prophet, or a righteous man, seeking,
>>for example, a sustenance or cure from an illness. Allaah (swt) says:
>>
>> "And call not other than Allaah, any that will neither profit you,
>> nor hurt you if (in case) you did so, you shall certainly be one of
>> the wrong-doers (committing Shirk)." (Qur'an 10:106).
>
>Observe the shirks that the "Salafis" make up for themselves.
>By declaring the above, they have made themselves mushriks every
>time they call on a doctor for a cure or on a grocer for food.

Wow! Is there no limit to your intentional misguidance of others?

Are you really that confuse or are you just 'pretending'?
Do you deny that the healer is Allah?
Do you deny that the Sustainer is Allah ?
Do you deny that the One who Guide is Allah ?

Now when one asks another to cure him/her, give him/her food, or show
them the straight way, will they be healed, sustained, or guided
except by the will of Allah?

Now compare that to asking a dead person who can not, give you a medicine,
nor give you food, nor speaks to you! When you ask such a person for
things that humans can not do, then you ascribing to him things that ONLY
Allah can do, and that is the Shirk.

In first situation ( When we seek the 'means' created by Allah) is lawful and
sometimes even Wajib (e.g. like asking those who have knowledge as Allah
tells us in the Qur'an 'Fas'alo alil-zikr in kontum la ta'lamoon' or 'ask
the people of knowledge (of Islam) if you do not know').

In the second situation (when one ask a dead person) it is a clear shirk,
since one have to believe that these dead people can benefit him/her through
'magical' powers without the need of Allah , wal 'eazu belah.
If anyone has still any confusion please let me know.


>So then, O "Salafi," do you think that by virtue of asking someone
>alive there is no shirk? The shirk does not reside in the biological
>aspect of the one being asked! Rather, as the verse which you quote
>above and the hadith which you quote below, both without understanding,
>the shirk consists in relying on someone with the same reliance that
>you have for Allah. That is shirk. Not to rely on what it is appropriate
>-- rather, obligatory -- to rely upon!

What do you call asking someone to help you who can not help his own self?

When you want to buy a car do you go to a graveyard and ask the dead to sell you one?

When you want to build a house do you go to a dead architect?
I can go on and on but I think this is enough.

>and He gives them to His Prophets, O "Salafi." The Prophet
>knows the Unseen through Allah's permission, nor is he remiss in
>communicating it. Prophets receive revelation, unlike any others.

Again injecting confusion! The brother was obviously talking about believing that the prophet (sala Allahu alihi wassalam) can know the unseen on his own.

>And Prophets are characterized many times in the Qur'an with divine
>attributes. None but "Salafis" have the audacity to deny this.

What do you mean by 'Prophets are characterized many times in the Qur'an
with divine attributes' ? Are they gods, or perhaps 'sons of god' ?
Have you ever left your previous religion?
Are you claiming that Allah has partners in 'some' of his divine attributes?

You spent so much wasted energy on accusing 'salafis' of likening Allah to His creation and know you make the assertion that some of Allah's creation is like Him.

>>C) Shirk Al-Mahabah (Love)
>>To love someone to the same degree as your love to Allaah: "Yet of mankind
>>are some who take (for worship) others besides Allaah as rivals (to Allaah).
>>They love them as they love Allaah but those who believe, love Allaah more
>>(than anything else)." (Qur'an 2:165).
>
>The Friends of Shaytan know nothing about Love of Allah and they
>have no permission to speak about it. Love of the Prophet and love
>of Muslims are not in the least differentiated from love of Allah.
>But the "Salafis" have separated love of Allah from the Prophet and
>the awliya because they think in their delusion that they can bypass
>the Prophet and ignore Allah's Friends to reach Allah. Never.

So you do not differentiate between the love of Allah, His messenger,
and Muslims in general ? So do not you consider the above verse applicable
here?
The love of Allah is the basis for any other good love. So We love Allah
first and foremost then we love others because they show us the way to
Allah (like the messenger, who was sent by Allah) , who join hands with
us in serving and worshiping Allah (like other muslims). So do not be
confused about love of Allah.


As for the rest of Fouad's article it is just recycled material. He keep 'wishing' for the same thing over and over, namely, if XYZ of scholars praised 'Sufis' 1000 or 700 years ago, then 'we', very naively, should also accept anyone who calls him/herself a sufi as a great muslim!

Well, surprise, no one is taken for granted based on his/her claims. The scholars, true scholars, examine peoples actions/beliefs and judge these actions and beliefs, they do not take people's claims for granted. So quote whomever you like, but the fact of the matter is

BRING FOURTH YOUR PROOFS
Muhammad Elrabaa